but there's some great innovation going on and we shouldn't be afraid of it. why is everybody afraid to innovate and see things that are working and say, instead of embracing it, people are saying well, that's the charter movement and we're against that. that's a mistake. >> people often kind of bury their heads. this topic depresses a lot of people. they want to concentrate on their own kid's schools. polls always show us, people say that schools are a mess, but our school isn't that bad. what makes you optimistic that there is movement right now? >> here's some stuff that -- you see governor christie with cory booker, republican, democrat, what are they coming together for? for schools. you see the facebook money, ibm. you've got business, you've got the president. you've got everybody focusing on this issue of schools, and that has to be across the whole nation.